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Here is a rule that is worthy of some debate. If a player catches the disc and runs into the endzone (or even out of bounds) when can a defender start the stall count? The disc is still live and in play so can they not start the stall count right away? Otherwise could the player not just take their time walking it back allowing their players to catch up to the disc?
I found the following information on ultitalk.com
"A marker may initiate a stall count any time a thrower is in possession of a disc that is 'live' or 'in play,' except after a turnover out of bounds/in the endzone or after a pull out of bounds. After a turnover out of bounds/in the endzone, the thrower must put the disc 'in play' with a ground check after walking the disc to the nearest point on the field of play before the stall count may be initiated. After a pull out of bounds, the thrower must put the disc 'in play' after walking the disc to the brickmark or to the nearest point on the field of play before the stall count may be initiated.
If a player gains possession of a disc in the field of play and his momentum carries him out of bounds or into the endzone being attacked, the marker may initiate a stall count as soon as he is within 3m of the nearest point on the field of play because the thrower is in possession of a 'live' disc. The thrower may not release the disc, though, until he has checked the disc 'in play' at the nearest point on the field of play. I was at practice on a rain-soaked field with thick grass one day and a full-speed/full-extension layout catch right across the goal line caused me to slide more than halfway through the endzone before I could get any traction to rise to my feet. By the time I was able to get vertical, run back to the goal line and check the disc 'in play,' the count was already at 8, which is why I strongly dislike this part of the rule, but I can understand why it is necessary to disallow extra time walking the disc back to the line after making the catch."
Another guy replied with this comment.
"I think the rule is completely valid. Stall counts can begin once posession has been attained, otherwise the rule could be bent so atrociously. People could then intentionally run/slide O/B and have their team get downfield while they took their time getting the disc in play. The rule is there to ensure the defence still has a fair play on a disc that still remains in possession of the offence."
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Had this one come up in a discussion today - specifically initiating the stall count after a turnover.
XIV: A-2:
Only the marker (II.K) may initiate or continue a stall count, and may do so anytime a thrower has possession of a disc that is live or in play. However, directly after a turnover or when putting the pull into play the stall may not be initiated before a pivot is established, unless delay of game or pre-stall rules (XIII.A.3, XIII.A.4, XIII.A.5 or VI.B.5.d) apply.
In our situation today I had caught a D, and momentum took me out of bounds. By the time I made it back to the sideline to tap the disc in, the count was at 3 or 4.
So just a reminder that on a turnover, you do have to wait until a pivot is established before you can begin the stall count. If the defense makes a catch on the playing-field proper, this will usually be immediate. But, if they catch the D in the endzone or out of bounds, you'll need to wait for them to walk the disc back onto the field and set a pivot before you can start counting. |
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